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PostSubject: What Really Happened At Roswell, NM in 1947   Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:30 am

Well seeing as this is a place for truth and only truth I thought it was about time to get down to buisness with some of the bigger events in the conspiracy world. Tonight I am choosing to take on the Roswell incident. It is probably the most famous UFO incident in the whole world. There are many theories out there as to what reaqlly happened back then. I will try to fit in all of the different theories and explanations regaurdless of my personal beliefs in order to bring an unbiased approach to the subject. In the end I believe it will be up to the reader to determin what they believe to be truth.

I personally believe that something major did happen at Roswell. I believe that an ET or exta dimensional craft of some sort crashed on that ranch. I also believe that the government has been covering it up for all this time as well. There are also many theories as to why it has been so heavily gaurded in secrecy all of these years. I will try to get out as much info on that as well. If anyone who reads this has any info to add it will be greatfully appreciated. So lets begin shall we. Question

I think we will just start of with the wiki version of what happened as it is very basic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident
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The Roswell UFO Incident, also known as Roswell, was a report of an object that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, in June or July 1947, allegedly an extra-terrestrial spacecraft and its alien occupants. Since the late 1970s the incident has been the subject of intense controversy and several conspiracy theories as to the true nature of the object that crashed. The United States Armed Forces maintains that what was recovered was debris from an experimental high-altitude surveillance balloon belonging to a classified program named "Mogul";[1] many UFO proponents maintain that an alien craft was found and its occupants were captured, and that the military then engaged in a cover-up. The incident has turned into a widely known pop culture phenomenon, making the name Roswell synonymous with UFOs. It is the most publicized and controversial of alleged UFO incidents.[2]

On July 8, 1947, the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) public information officer Walter Haut in Roswell, New Mexico, issued a press release[3] stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disk" from a ranch near Roswell, sparking intense media interest. The next day, the press reported that Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force Roger M. Ramey stated that, in fact, a radar-tracking balloon had been recovered by the RAAF personnel, not a "flying disc."[4] A subsequent press conference was called, featuring debris said to be from the crashed object, which seemed to confirm the weather balloon description.

The incident was forgotten and almost completely ignored, even by UFO researchers, for more than 30 years. Then, in 1978, physicist and ufologist Stanton T. Friedman interviewed Major Jesse Marcel who was involved with the original recovery of the debris in 1947. Marcel expressed his belief that the military had covered up the recovery of an alien spacecraft. His story spread through UFO circles, being featured in some UFO documentaries at the time.[2] In February 1980, The National Enquirer ran its own interview with Marcel, garnering national and worldwide attention for the Roswell incident.[2]

Additional witnesses added significant new details, including claims of a huge military operation dedicated to recovering alien craft and aliens themselves, at as many as 11 crash sites,[2] and alleged witness intimidation. In 1989, former mortician Glenn Dennis put forth a detailed personal account, wherein he claimed that alien autopsies were carried out at the Roswell base.[5]

In response to these reports, and after congressional inquiries, the General Accounting Office launched an inquiry and directed the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force to conduct an internal investigation. The result was summarized in two reports. The first, released in 1995, concluded that the reported recovered material in 1947 was likely debris from a secret government program called Project Mogul, which involved high altitude balloons meant to detect sound waves generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests and ballistic missiles.[6] The second report, released in 1997, concluded that reports of recovered alien bodies were likely a combination of innocently transformed memories of military accidents involving injured or killed personnel, innocently transformed memories of the recovery of anthropomorphic dummies in military programs like Project High Dive conducted in the 1950s, and hoaxes perpetrated by various witnesses and UFO proponents. The psychological effects of time compression and confusion about when events occurred explained the discrepancy with the years in question. These reports were dismissed by UFO proponents as being either disinformation or simply implausible. However, numerous high-profile UFO researchers discount the possibility that the incident had anything to do with aliens.


So what we have there is the Original Story that it was a weather balloon from project Mogul. For more info on Project Mogul here is a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul

So now that we have to OS out of the way let's begin to look at the many different theories as to what really happened. Here are a few videos that explain the many different takes on the incident.



Stanton Friedman has been by far the most important Roswell researcher in my opinion. He is responsible for the incident becoming as widly known as it is. Here are a short few videos with Mr. Friedman himself talking about the roswell incident.




Now there is a book written by a man who claims that a woman claimed to have interviewed the live alien that was recovered from the crash scene. I don't know if it is real or not but it is very intersting to read. It is available as a pdf for free so I will link it here for everyone to read. I will also embed the youtube transcrips for those who may not want to read the entire thing. There is a disclaimer saying that it is fictional but many times ufo researchers do this to protect all parties involved from and backlash for speaking the truth.
Here is the lin to the pdf for the readers here...http://www.thenewearth.org/Roswell.pdf
And here are the audio transcripts.



Here is a photo of the woman who was the supposed interviewer.


Now; another one of the conspiracies surrounding the Roswell event is that it was a time traveling vehicle and was not ETs, but rather us from a future timeline and that the occupants were evolved versions of us. Dan Burisch has had quite a bit to say about this in the past but I am not sure if there is anything recent. I will post the Project Camelot video interviews with Mr. Burisch. I take everything that comes for PC with a grain of salt but it is an interesting interview if you have the time to losten to it. He does go in depth about the technology that was recovered and a few other interesting things as well.





I have one more theory to throw out there. There is a theory that the Russians crashed a feak UFO at Roswell to intimidate the Americans.
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2011/05/area-51-book-exposed-secret-source.html
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Annie Jacobsen’s recently released bestseller Area 51 has stirred global interest. She has been featured numerous times on many networks and websites. Her book was reviewed last week by the New York Times. Jacobsen’s biggest “scoop” concerns the Roswell crash. She learned from an early executive of one of our nation’s largest defense contractors that the Roswell crash of 1947 was resultant from a scheme by Russia’s Josef Stalin and escaped Nazi mad-scientist Josef Mengele to “hoax” the Americans by staging UFO sightings. The plan was to induce panic and psychological warfare in the manner of the Orson Welles War of the World broadcast aftermath. They would launch unusually-designed craft from a “mothership” (located near Alaska.) These were single-wing, remote-controlled “UFOs” with “alien-like” children on board. The craft were of Nazi German design (captured by the Soviets at the close of the War) and the “aliens” were actually 13 year olds. The grotesque child aviators were biologically engineered by Mengele with strange large heads and oddly spaced eyes. The craft and pilots had crashed near Roswell in July of 1947 and were flown to Wright Field. In 1951, Jacobsen’s source maintains, the crashed vehicle and the two still-surviving deformed children were taken to Area 51 and to the facilities of defense contractor EG&G (now URS Corporation)

This author has identified and located Annie Jacobsen’s anonymous source. I have also decided, after much consideration, to “out” him. In this article I will openly name him. I have also contacted him very recently. He reluctantly spoke with me for some time. I believe that the source was indeed told this bizarre story by officials. But just why this is so will stun readers, and is not for the reasons that you may think

Ok, I think that is enough info to get us started. I know there is much more out there but I believe what I have presented covers most of the theories reguarding the 1947 Roswell incident. Hopefully with the help of my fellow TTiV forum members we can pick this apart piece by piece until we have a general idea of what the truth really is. I am looking forward to what you all have to bring forward and to your thoughts on the Roswell incident. Thank you for taking the time to go through all of this for those that do. I know it is alot of information.

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PostSubject: Re: What Really Happened At Roswell, NM in 1947   Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:00 pm

Hi Grunt. Great thread! A lot of hard work you did there - bless you! I want to get to the truth too! And since you have brought up the Roswell incident , I'd like to throw another name into the equation -but not just yet anyway. Right now, I'm reviewing his autobiography. This man was whistleblowing (or an insane loon - I'm not so sure lol )but no one wants to pay him any mind . People turned their backs on him for some reason - discrediting him, etc. I think even Friedman kind of shied away - would love to ask his opinion!

This guy's ''story''? does seem TOO wild and fantasic however, a lot of what he says does ring of truth ! Anyway, it would make a great sci-fi read even if not real!

What really caught my attention is that he was supposedly a Christian ...and this was his last entry online ... He was going to whistleblow all the more and was to start his 2nd book with details !!! Guess what? 11 days after that entry, he was freakin' dead.

People in the ufo community have ridiculed, made him sound like a liar , ousted from the ufo community, suppOSEDLY debunked him, etc. And I don't go with the flow and judge for myself, nOT taking people's word for a thing. Just because others shun , I wILL look!

I truly wish someone would help me look further into him/his statements. Especially this coming from a supposed Christian man - If this gives you a clue ...Friedman and he knew one another. And this guy met his wife through him.... IMO this guys statements/story needs further investigation.

Anyway, his comment on Roswell was a bit different ...(whether true or not , I do not know) but bet you've never heard this one. He stated that the aliens were allowing some of OUR kind - us humans- fly the craft by thought and they crashed it ... among some other things . Long story to read , if you are interested!!! .. I've begged and begged lol for others to read it to no avail .

I wish to get others reading it /and hear their thoughts . To me, just because something sounds too off-the-wall fantastic, doesn't mean we should disregard it as junk--- truth CAN be stranger than fiction as we are now learning , it seems everyday! lol..
Anyway, wanted to mention it. Would you be willing to read his auto--biography???? It is NOT just about Roswell . It's about his involvement with a ''so-called'' governing program , history and working w/aliens ... Yeah ,, I know --- LOL!



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PostSubject: Re: What Really Happened At Roswell, NM in 1947   Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:06 pm

I think I now who you are talking about. I would be willing to read anything you bring forward. I too like to read it all and not pay much attention to what others say about people. So bring it on. Lets get as much info together as we can. Thanks partner.

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PostSubject: Re: What Really Happened At Roswell, NM in 1947   Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:00 pm

Here is something of interest.

Telegram held in General Ramey's hand provides smoking gun proof of a "disk" crash and the recovery of "the victims of the wreck.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/

Reconstructed July 8, 1947 Gen. Ramey Roswell Message
Copyright © 2001 by David Rudiak

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Reconstruct.html

http://www.think-aboutit.com/ufo/hints_of_secret_message_visible_.htm



Roswell Smoking Gun, the Ramey Memo

Note: This article is an addendum to The Roswell Crash, and Roswell, 50 years and counting
http://www.ufocasebook.com/rameymemo.html

ETA: I don't believe a word of the woman who claimed telepathy with the alien ... Well , at least not the message.
I still have a vid or two here to watch . If this memo is mentioned already in those vids just del my post.


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