Issues & Implications Of Homosexuality In The Church

OK, this is a touchy subject; but it is one that can not be ignored if we are to follow God's command to "Love one another as you do yourself." Here again is the letter that prompted me to open this sub-forum:

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Hi, I've been following your page for a while now. I like what you are doing. Please hear me out. I am a lesbian, I don't fit in. I am a good person that believes in God. You probably don't understand that. I cannot stand Obama. I love my guns. My problem is I don't have anywhere to go. Where I would normally fit in (the Left), I am not comfortable, I don't like these atheist people, they scare me. I have a very bad feeling in my gut. So bad, that I have been prepping food, water, ammo, etc.

I have mostly republican views, even though there really isn't a whole lot of difference between the parties. Republicans are just more upfront about their beliefs than democrats. The main difference between the parties this time is Obama and it isn't that he is democrat as much as he is just ??? nobody knows. Is he the start of the end of as we know it?

I was recently on a forum that totally bashed gays (article about the boy scouts letting gays in). It was actually scary as I felt like I was in a 3rd world country with what people were saying. Quoting scripture along with saying things that should not be repeated. If these are so called God fearing quoting scripture people, then I feel sorry for them. I do not agree with a lot of gay things. I don't think that for example you need to declare that you are gay or straight to enter the boy scouts. I don't hear straight people declaring "I'm straight" and I don't agree with the gays declaring this. I don't think you should back a president on ONE subject that just because you are gay and the president says it's "OK" then vote for him. There is so much more to consider. Enough about the gays, I'm just trying to show you my side.

I want to join your other page that is not on FB. I want to know that if I do and join in on conversations, etc., that I will not be looked upon as a scourge. When the SHTF, I will need something.

And my response:

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First of all, and most importantly, I want you to know that God loves you no matter what, and so do I. Regardless of ANY skin color, ideological differences, or sexual preference you are my sister; we are both children of the Living God and as such you automatically have my eternal love.

Aren't we told to "Love our enemies?" That being the case (even though it is something I struggle with) how then can I not love someone who has never done anything to me? If you would like to join the forum at www.ttiv.forumotion.com I will even create a special sub-forum for Christians that also happen to be gay. I feel that this is an important aspect of our faith and I'm glad you brought it up.

There is no doubt that homosexuality can be (note the "can") be a genetic trait; the so-called "gay gene." If this is true, and I believe it is, then Lady GaGa has a point when she sings that she was "Born This Way." If you were born with homosexual tendencies, it is because God wanted it that way. Why, when Leviticus clearly condemns homosexuality as an "abomination", is a matter of great interest to me.

In my own lay opinion, I think that the laws concerning homosexuality in Leviticus were hygienic in nature, as are many of the other laws in that book. Note that it says a "man laying with a man as he would with a woman," and doesn't mention women being together at all. Without getting too graphic, I think it's obvious that sex between two men is just nasty, a perfect route for the transmission for disease, so the Judges of Israel made it punishable by death to protect the larger community.

The circumcision thing is a similar "health code" because, again not being too graphic, an uncircumcised penis - especially in a desert environment where bathing was infrequent - is the equivalent of a petri dish capable of fostering all types of pathogenic organisms.

Religion aside for a moment, I do love gay people though, I always have. Before and after I was in the Marine Corp I was part of the Palm Beach County cast of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I played the part of Rocky.

We didn't just participate in the theater though, we created a show featuring the musical numbers and performed it in every gay bar we could find in South Florida - over 200 times. Even though I am decidedly straight, I always felt welcome among my gay friends; and boy do they know how to party!

One of these days it might be interesting to do a show on this subject (gay Christians,) and if I do you'll be one of the first people in 35 years to see me in nothing but Rocky's gold lame' speedo. LOL!!!

I'd love to continue this conversation right now, but I'm extremely busy at the moment, and I have to take DeLynn to the hospital here in a bit to get her chemo pump removed. Please do come to the forum and register, then send me a private message telling me who you are. I promise that you will feel welcome at my forum, and if anyone has anything bad to say about you they are going to have to come up against me too.

God bless you sweetheart, I'm sure that we are going to be good friends.

Semper Fi,
Bobby

As I told this young lady, who has indeed joined the forum, this is a subject on which I am by no means an expert; but it is one that I am very curious about. Why would God create people with a "gay gene" and then call it an "abomination" when the natural instincts that He gave that person are acted upon? I'd very much like to know the answer to this question.

EDIT: That was just TMI.


Not ONE WORD Jimmy. Not ONE.

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Hello, and welcome, Standupforyourself.

First let me say , I am so sorry for the way you were treated by Christians in other forums. You will not be bashed here. We will not allow this. We will love you in the Lord.

Understood that this is a touchy subject, so I will tread softly here in what I have to say...I am not attacking you whatsoever just because I do not agree with your lifestyle of choice.

Please understand ... I love my child but would not condone his playing in the middle of the street.... for danger is coming from down the road. Please know, I DO CARE and only wish to PROTECT.... but I differ from others who believe in the "gay gene" -I don't- and feel this is now being used as an excuse for all that choose this lifestyle.
Please don't FEEL attacked because this is not my intention. I have two gay friends (of opposite sex) and love them both dearly to be honest. We get along just fine but I don't agree with their lifestyle of choice and I lovingly will tell them so. They will be giving account of their lives to God - not me. I am not the judge, jury or executioner!
Sin to God is sin, regardless of what it is.... some are abominable...but I too am a sinner saved by grace .

I will leave you with this - THIS is what God says, and with your claiming to be a Christian . I am sure you love His written word.

Only God the Father knows your heart.... (we all know there are many generics in this world). So chew on this a while - have some meat along with that milk... I encourage you to read your Bible and grow in knowledge and grace of the Lord. He says one must be born again FIRST of all...with acknowledgement and repentance of sin and turning to Christ Jesus...

(Rom 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:<<***PLEASE MAKE MENTAL NOTE***

21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(Rom 1:22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(Rom 1:23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(Rom 1:24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(Rom 1:25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Rom 1:26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:<<<Please note.

If God says it is AGAINST NATURE for men to lie with other men/women w/women , then it is always wise to ''resist the devil'' so he will flee from you. The Bible also says there is a way to escape temptation.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life....and our escape hatch - Praise the Lord!

Bob's too sexy for his shirt, too sexy for his shirt....
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Bob, I have seen worse in the Barracks on Camp Lejeune.

StandUp4Yourself, welcome to the forum. We are all glad you have joined us. I look forward to your views and discussions in the future. This is a great place for free-thinkers so enjoy.

Thank you

In reference to the argument I made above regarding homosexuality as described in Leviticus 18:22, that "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable and must be put to death." means that the laws concerning it are hygienic in nature, I might have to partially correct myself. The research I've done on this in the past 24 hours (really not that much to be honest) seems to indicate that the laws condemning homosexuality also have to do with the worship of the god Molech; the same "god" worshiped by the "Elite" at Bohemian Grove.

I discovered this by looking for instances where lesbianism, as opposed to male homosexuality, is mentioned in the Bible. Women having sex with women is never explicitly condemned in the Bible except, once again, in connection with idol worship.

Here are the links to the pages I have read.

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/lev18.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-lesbian.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/are-lesbians-treated-the-same-as-gays-in-the-bible.html
http://www.openbible.info/topics/lesbians

Those that have been with me for a while know that I like to talk about my personal experiences to illustrate that I do, in fact, know what I'm talking about; or at least that I have some experience in that area - like the Rocky Horror pic I shared above. Now, down here in the dark corners of the forum where very few are likely to see, I'll tell you a secret.

Homosexuality, at least male homosexuality, is undeniable condemned as a "detestable" act that is an "abomination" to God that should be punished by death. I don't think that the Bible could be any more clear on the subject. According to the Bible, adultery is also a death penalty offense.

If a person has desires that are contrary to the Bible, IMHO they must be suppressed if we want to walk perfectly with God. The way I understand the Bible, it doesn't make any difference if a person's desires are heterosexual or homosexual in nature; it is wrong to act on those desires.

But I'm not a Biblical expert, especially not on the subject of homosexuality. I'm just throwing out my ideas based on the experiences I've had that have formed them. Please don't rest any decision you might make on my opinion alone. So Lou's last point should be something for all of us to think about as it relates to this subject, as well as any other Biblical subject that requires us to put our faith before the desires of the flesh:

1st Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.